“You’ll never see the truth as long as you adhere to your dogmatic naturalism!”
This, or something very similar I’m sure nearly every atheist, or naturalist, has heard at one point or another and it gets more and more annoying every time I hear it. It seems many theists shout this once they’ve realized their fairy tale beliefs have been shot down by science and evidence and have nothing left to offer in the way of rational, evidence-based argumentation.
The fact is that atheists are not “dogmatic” in accepting a purely naturalistic world view; it simply has to do with the lack of evidence proving the supernatural. Unfortunately, no matter how many times we tell theists that it’s all about the evidence they whine about the effects of prayer and other alleged miracles, even though there have been no confirmed miraculous events in history and many have since been solved, like out of body experiences as one example. Others are claims of the supernatural that are currently unresolved but simply have no solid evidence going for them and are rightfully rejected. As I think Christopher Hitchens rightfully says, “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”
Let’s analyze this and see if there is any justification for the theist to say such a thing. First, we must start by defining our words.
Dogmatic: “Expressing or adhering to strong beliefs.” - Microsoft Encarta Dictionary (2006)
Usually when a theist says this it’s with disdain and implies that no amount of evidence will change your mind.
Naturalism: “In art or literature, a movement or school advocating realistic description.” - Ibid. (emphasis mine)
Clearly a “dogmatic naturalist” is someone who very strongly adheres to a naturalistic view (meaning no supernatural elements in this case) of the world.
Now, the next question is why?
Well, it’s very simple, and I’ve already mentioned it above: it’s because of the lack of evidence for such things! Atheists are not being “dogmatic” but will surely change their minds should any evidence come to light of a man actually being raised from the dead (and I’m not talking about taking contradictory, ancient, and likely corrupted passages as a form of evidence, either) as one example, or if there is any proof of an immaterial realm. Thus far, all claims of such a realm have failed, such as the argument for mind-brain dualism, which the laws of physics rule out as an argument.
Atheists have written about this for hundreds of years; science is confirming more and more the naturalistic nature of our universe, and the “gaps” for god to hide in are closing at an alarming rate. What’s more to be said about this? Nothing much, I don’t think.
Atheists and other rationalists adhere to a naturalistic worldview because that’s where the evidence points and that’s that. Every attempt to prove the supernatural has thus far met with failure. The way I see it the only ones who are being dogmatic are theists, who will blindly accept faulty arguments and illogical premises as the basis for their conclusions. Even after being shown evidence as to why they’re wrong, they cling to their belief of an immaterial realm. Anyone who does this is purely fooling themselves and is the one who is being dogmatic.
Nice post, though I think your dogmatic naturalism does limit you to facts.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment Andy. However I'm a bit confused because, as I said, facts are the only way to know about the world and piece together an accurate picture. Anything else, and we're left with pure speculation, and then people are able to come up with all kinds of wild ideas (like gods and miracles for example) that have no solid foundation.
ReplyDeleteIsn't ruling out the supernatural due to lack of evidence a little like ruling out the existence of light because you didn't hear it or saying there's no sound because you can't see it? By definition, supernatural is beyond or other than natural...so why is it surprising that it leaves no natural "fingerprints"? Why would you expect to be able to measure the supernatural with natural instruments? Isn't that like listening for light? You need the right instrument.
ReplyDeleteHi Jeff,
ReplyDeleteThe supernatural is said to happen all around us with examples of ghosts, near death experiences, answered prayer, etc. so to say that there is no way to detect these things is just plain false. It’s already claimed that these experiences happen quite often so why couldn’t we test their validity? God is, after all, said to act constantly within the world and therefore we should be able to detect such actions at some point, so again, to say these things are not detectable isn’t an argument. Thus far, every argument in favor of the supernatural has been falsified.
I do not understand your comparison with light and sound. We have instruments that measure sound and can also record it. We hear sound with our ears and electronic devices. We see light and can also record it on video. But how many people have truly caught a supernatural act on video; one that was actually confirmed not to be a hoax? None.
Hello Mr. A.A. and thank you for the response!
ReplyDeleteSorry if my light/sound comparison did not make much sense. What I was trying to point out was that you need an instrument compatible with the realm you are trying to detect. Ex: You can't detect light with your ears or sound with your eyes. Likewise, you can't detect the supernatural with natural instruments, which is all we have. I would agree with you that any supernatural act "caught" on video or any other man-made device is most likely a hoax and would greet any claims to such a capture with a healthy dose of sceptisism.
I do not believe that the existence of God can be proven. Nor do I believe that one can prove that God does not exist either. I do believe that one can know something without being able to prove it. Don't you know there is beauty, good, evil, justice?....I don't think any of it can be proven, and we may disagree as to what may or may not fit into these categories...but I think most would agree that the categories themselves do exist. I think the way we know God is similar.
Hi Jeff,
ReplyDeleteYou’re very welcome for the reply. I’m well aware that there are many who believe (as you do) that god cannot be proven or disproven, though this is where I would disagree. As I said, if god (and other supernatural experiences) were real (and not byproducts of simple brain chemistry, as a lot of evidence suggests) they would truly be inexplainable. They would simply defy us, but we know of simple reasons why people see ghosts (possible electromagnetic fields are a cause that have been shown in several comparative studies. People saw more ghostly things when in the presence of electromagnetic fields than not) and have religious experiences. Evidence suggests it has to do with the brain.
The same with god. If god were real things would occur that would simply defy any explanation. Now, I do agree that some gods, like the god of deism, would not be detectable since this god does not act upon or in our world so there would be no evidence of this god one way or another. But many theists make specific claims about their gods (such as answered prayer) that can be tested for and thus far there have been no positive results for prayer. If there are it seems to be due to the placebo effect (as I noted in my paper debunking several examples of the supernatural) since this result is only seen when the person doing the praying is in contact with the person being prayed for. They know they’re being prayed for and thus the placebo effect is the most likely reason.
While we don’t (at least not yet) have anything that might detect a god itself, we can test for the effects that a god is said to have on our world and nothing has been found that would lead anyone not already vested in their belief to conclude by these experiments that there is a god.
Thanks for the comment but it seems we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Take care.
Agreed. Thanks for the conversation....I enjoyed it and hope to talk again. I consider the pursuit of truth to be a worthwhile endeavor. If minds are kept open, there's an infinite abundance of more truth to be learned...enjoyed and embraced no matter what your religious (or non-religious) leanings are. I can't help but to post one last comment concerning the supernatural....
ReplyDelete“There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle.” Albert Einstein