
I've often been accused of being a jerk, "immature", etc. by a few theists (ironically by the same ones who started off calling me names to begin with and I simply responded in kind!) and even atheists. Some wonder why I lost my temper so much with
David Marshall. Well, here is an excellent recent example; an example of precisely
why I've gotten so furious with him in the past and why, after so long of taking this kind of abuse, I finally lost my temper and fired back. Then this asshole actually calls
me the immature one! You've got to be kidding me! The hypocrisy dripping from that statement is too much to bear.
Recently,
at an Amazon.com customer review Marshall is at it again with his hypocritical and condescending attitude towards me and, let me tell you, it took so much of my strength not to hurl a dose of his own medicine back at him. For those of you who favor the "be the bigger man" approach I think you'd be proud of me for not responding to the following crap in a more...aggressive way. Listen to this condescending bullshit:
I know how angry being condescended to makes you, Ken. But you are presumptuous to think you are Aikman's equal, or mine, for that matter. Get a doctorate in history at one of the world's leading universities, and better yet, show that you can reason and argue at his level, and you will have earned the right to be talked to as if your arguments were as worth taking seriously as those of Dr. Aikman.
Then of course, right after that statement he couldn't seem to resist insulting me:
[...]and maybe I can begin to talk to you as if you were MY intellectual equal. I would actually like it if you learned to do those things; I get little pleasure out of refuting unlearned fools.
It's funny because he doesn't mention all of the scholars of Communist Russia I've read who have come to different conclusions, and those who also are not blinded by their religious prejudices
like Aikman is!
Here he goes again, trying to act all high and mighty, while trying to pretend to be some kind of demented caring mentor:
You'll find this patronizing, but it is honestly meant. From my POV, you seem almost to have taken some of my earlier advice, and are trying to improve the quality of your arguments -- some. That's why, despite all the nasty language and stupid insults you've cast my way (the ones I've read), and the endless (from my POV not very trenchant) negative reviews you posted all over the internet, I don't write you off, as JR does. Keep working, and even if you don't learn balance, or to evaluate an argument fairly, you may become an able (if one-sided) critic.
And this guy is a teacher of some kind! I sure as hell hope he doesn't treat his kids this way. Here he is again being a hypocrite when he mentions my insults towards him. And from
my POV he's a condescending asshole who
very obviously is unable to judge the quality of an argument if it doesn't favor the conclusion he wants!
It's funny that he says this about the supposed "quality" of my arguments because
even as far back as 2008 I was poking holes in his arguments and exposing his errors - errors he's never once owned up to, despite the overwhelming evidence! I've never denied making a hand full of errors in the very first draft of my review of his book way back in late 2007, but once I realized those problems I quickly went to fix them. It's been over two years since they have been fixed, but Marshall can't seem to realize when I actually am right about something; his biases most likely. And I'd never take any advice from such a hypocrite as this. I have much more honor and respect for myself than that! Besides, I've been writing good arguments against books by christian apologists since before I ever even heard of Marshall! Granted, over time I've learned more and gotten better at writing my reviews, but that sure as hell had nothing to do with him!
And true to form, Marshall brings up the few times I've insulted him. When will it end? He neglects to tell people that it was
exactly this kind of attitude and name calling which drove me to that point to begin with! He started it, I finished it. Hypocrite!
And here he is insulting me again...this time about my writing.
You should also work on your English. That's a "run-on" sentence. Also scotch the passive in the first line, "I was only able to borrow . . . "
He has been an ass about my writing since our earliest discussions. Shit, I'm only a high school graduate with no professional writing experience. Does he expect me to be Shakespeare incarnate?! I agree I'm not the best writer in the world, but I'm certainly not that bad and I've gotten much praise about my writing throughout my life, even during my school years. Besides, when I'm writing while angry due to being called names and being talked down to, I don't often bother to write my thoughts out in perfect fucking english. This is just another example of him being an ass.
More condescending and hypocritical nonsense:
You need, I think, to learn to love truth more than your own ego, and more than your philosophical attachments, if you want to become a reasonable formidable skeptic. Also, you might take a writing class, and straighten out your grammar.
I know that's advice you don't want, and probably unpleasant, but I am a teacher, and you still very much need an education. I bother saying all that, because I do think you've tried (more than some long-term posters on Amazon), and you certainly have initiative.
This is the kind of crap I've had to put up with for two years from Marshall. Would you take this shit lying down? It's ridiculous! If anyone needs a damn education it's this guy! It just pisses me of when he tries his fake caring attitude crap. He can shove that condescending attitude right up his ass. And you might have been wondering, my dear reader, just
why I would get so pissed at Marshall, and once or twice I finally snapped and insulted him back. Just take a look and see!
After spending time on this I really am getting tired of David Marshall. The only reason I wrote this was to expose his bullshit for all to see. I wanted to collect more evidence against his (and his buddy's) lie that I am to blame and I insult people all the time. What a bunch of hypocritical nonsense!
I've got tons of proof that I've saved of Marshall and his buddy Fraser insulting people for no reason, and this is just the latest example in their long history of treating skeptics and atheists like total crap, all the while pretending as if they never do any wrong. These guys are in serious denial.
I should have done this a long time ago when he first began with his insults but I reported one of his posts; the one where he calls me a "fool," and hopefully Amazon will delete his comment, per the
comment policy that forbids name calling and other dishonest activities (which they have been spreading all over Amazon about me for at least a year):
The upload, download, or transmission of any Content that is unlawful, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, indecent, lewd, harassing, threatening, harmful, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, abusive, inflammatory, or otherwise objectionable [emphasis mine]
I even reported one of Bruce Bain's libelous posts about me (
just one of the many posts where he spreads lies about me) but Amazon last I checked has failed to enforce their very own guidelines. I finally took some peoples' advice and reported their insulting and libelous activities and Amazon does nothing. This is why I felt I had to deal with their nonsense on my own. When all this started happening with their behaviors I had a feeling Amazon would do nothing and I was right. But perhaps I'm being a bit hasty. They need to be taught a lesson so maybe I'll sit down and write Amazon directly. That might get them off of their asses so they finally do something.
This post turned out to be a lot longer than I meant for it to be, but this hypocrisy and immaturity by these christian apologists/christians in general needs to be exposed. And they still claim that atheists can't act morally. These christians need to look up the definition of these words:
Hypocrite:
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
Some of them also very badly need to look up what the word
lie means as well since despite all of the dishonest things they spread about me they resent it when I call them what they are:
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
Or perhaps the term
pathological liar would be more accurate:
a person who lies to the point of it being considered a disease or condition, an abnormally habitual liar [emphasis mine]
I think that about sums it up. Oh...and I think the word
asshole describes Marshall to a tee. I'm not insulting him; I'm only using a word that very accurately describes his actual personality:
a stupid, mean, or contemptible person
That about sums it up. I doubt there is one person who would disagree with my opinions after reading the contemptible crap Marshall spewed at me the other day.
Enter Bruce Bain:The really mind blowing and hypocritical thing is that Bruce Bain replies and actually has the nerve to tell me that Marhall's insults weren't that bad and that I should "develop a thicker skin, because oversensitivity is not an asset in public discourse." What the fuck!? I respond in a hostile manner to Marshall because of his insults, and afterwards I'm called immature, the things I probably shouldn't have said spread all over the Amazon forums just to discredit me, but another christian does it and it's just fine! He is immune. Whatever he does apparently is just fine. Fuck you Bain. Go look up the word double standard you stupid piece of shit. If you can figure out how to even use a dictionary. And once again, people wonder why I get so damn furious at these three imbeciles (Marshall, Bain, and Fraser)! There is no reasoning with them; try to be polite and they just insult you and talk down to you; say one little thing that is out of line and they never let you live it down, all the while they act act in the same manner, if not worse, and they see no problem with it. Hypocrites all around!
Update - 6-2-10I've recently written Amazon.com about the abusive behavior of David Marshall and asked them to look into the matter. The following is the letter I wrote them with proof included. Only time will tell if they actually do anything. Thus far, I've clicked on the "report abuse" button three or four times where Marshall calls me a fool and so far nothing has been done. I'm hoping this letter will get the ball rolling. This crap needs to stop. I'm sure the other forum members will appreciate my initiative in getting Marshall to straighten up his act.
Hello,
I'm writing to report some abusive behavior towards myself by an Amazon.com participant named David Marshall. In the Customer Review of The God Delusion by a reviewer who goes by the name of Jeri Nevermind "loves to read" he continuously was disrespectful and called me a "fool." I have reported one of his posts a few times but so far nothing has been done about it so I decided to write instead.
The reply with the name calling can be found here -
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2ITXJG70HV1V5/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?ie=UTF8&cdMsgNo=22&cdPage=3&asin=0618918248&store=books&cdSort=oldest&cdMsgID=Mx2B9U1XUIGA1I4#Mx2B9U1XUIGA1I4
I would appreciate it if you took a more proactive approach to keep this kind of thing from happening on your forums because it is a large problem. David Marshall has also called other participants "fools" as well. I would like to also report this posting of his -
http://www.amazon.com/Consider-seriously-Religulous/forum/Fx238ZENNZM4HA2/Tx18GGDCVC8I5NW/14/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdMsgNo=338&asin=0618680004&cdSort=oldest&cdMsgID=Mx2J3S6WK66J6XG#Mx2J3S6WK66J6XG
David Marshall is a very abusive forum member and I believe some kind of action should be taken; perhaps ban him from the forums for a time, and allow him back on a probationary period until he can clean up his act and begin to treat other forum participants with respect and stop with the name calling.
I would greatly appreciate your attention on this serious matter.
Thank you.
Update - 6-3-10Well, I've received two replies back from Amazon. After the first reply, they said the comments are within their guidelines. I was shocked at this since their very own website says explicitly that messages that "abuse" and "denigrate" others is against their policy. I wrote them again pointing this out and I get a reply from supposedly the "senior member" of the "Customer Discussions team" and he decides if comments go against their policy or not. I think this guy seriously needs to consult a dictionary to understand what their policy even means!
The
comment policy they sent me clearly bans the following forms of behavior:
*
Profane or obscene, inflammatory or spiteful comments * Messages that
abuse, denigrate or threaten others
* Text or articles written by someone else, even with attribution for the author, except for brief quotations from a book, article or other product related to the discussion
* Any personal information about children under 13
* Descriptions that intrude on the privacy of another person, including revealing personally identifiable information such as their name or address
* Text that promotes illegal or immoral conduct
* Repeated posts that make the same point excessively
*
Repeated unwelcome messages that harass or embarrass other customers or participants * Repeated posts that promote an item in the Amazon.com catalog
* Any form of "spam," including advertisements, contests, or other solicitations for other websites or companies; or any URL link that includes a "referrer" tag or affiliate code. [empahsis mine]
The many posts these individuals have posted over the years are
clear violations of their very own damn policy! How is someone calling another a "fool" and utterly disrespecting their opinion without cause
not denigrating?!
Perhaps this "senior member" needs to consult a dictionary:
To denigrate means to:
charge falsely or with malicious intent; attack the good name and reputation of someone; to disparage; belittle
If the above comments weren't belittling to this idiot, I'd sure as hell like to know what they would consider inappropriate! I do not know why they denied my request, but I think it's complete and utter bullshit. Their policy states very clearly that the behavior by Marshall (not to mention Bruce Bain and J.R. Fraser, whom I sent copies of their slanderous posts against me as well) was inappropriate and that's that. Hell, the name calling you'd think would be clear grounds, but Amazon says it's not inappropriate. Ridiculous.
I have heard from others that they tend to favor authors and maybe they're just giving special treatment and giving him more leeway on his behavior, despicable as it may be.
Well, this was certainly not the news I was hoping for. And it sure lets me know where Amazon's politics lie.

Hypocrisy at its Worst