tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post2296210419964950184..comments2023-03-29T17:28:56.467-07:00Comments on ARIZONA ATHEIST: Against the Gods: Arguments Against God's ExistenceUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-23025752234480725492011-10-07T09:48:01.786-07:002011-10-07T09:48:01.786-07:00There was no singularity. That’s the reason Craig ...There was no singularity. That’s the reason Craig was wrong when he cited cosmology for his “first cause” argument.Arizona Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377658912951142427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-71930057654597628982011-10-07T06:34:44.683-07:002011-10-07T06:34:44.683-07:00do you believe in point singularity as the cause o...do you believe in point singularity as the cause of big bang theory?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-52570235917857260962011-07-06T14:38:26.259-07:002011-07-06T14:38:26.259-07:00Erik,
Thanks for the comment. It's not your f...Erik,<br /><br />Thanks for the comment. It's not your fault since you may not have read <a href="http://arizonaatheist.blogspot.com/2010/05/william-lane-craigs-arguments-for-god.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a> but I already answered the argument used in the article. It's a horrible argument and is the same one William Lane Craig uses.Arizona Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377658912951142427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-32499602148836789352011-07-06T13:23:13.812-07:002011-07-06T13:23:13.812-07:00http://creation.com/what-is-good-answering-euthyph...http://creation.com/what-is-good-answering-euthyphro-dilemma<br /><br />I hope that this will be helpful.<br /><br />I can't invest the time in a long argument now, and I have a slow connection so I won't be subscribing to comments.<br /><br />I'll be back to engage some other time.EriKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04149923261251332685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-80307567645888877002011-02-21T17:26:32.442-07:002011-02-21T17:26:32.442-07:00Heya. That's a great topic you got here, and b...Heya. That's a great topic you got here, and big...<br /><br />Best regards from Brazil.Paulo Henriquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02691303201569013490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-84051350228586139972010-06-02T22:32:44.507-07:002010-06-02T22:32:44.507-07:00Hi cornelius,
The reason I added this was because...Hi cornelius,<br /><br />The reason I added this was because of comments posted at <a href="http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2009/04/arizona-atheist-arguments-against-gods.html?showComment=1238681429174#c3841221175997940031" rel="nofollow">Debunking Christianity</a> where Mr. Loftus had linked to this post. Someone commented regarding Stenger's arguments and with my liking to be as Arizona Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377658912951142427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-49612213966356727332010-06-02T17:48:56.393-07:002010-06-02T17:48:56.393-07:00Thanks for the nice post!
So, which arguments in ...Thanks for the nice post!<br /><br />So, which arguments in Stenger's book are supposedly (possibly) false? And can you explain why?corneliusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-2653487737563744642010-04-14T15:01:01.063-07:002010-04-14T15:01:01.063-07:00Hi Erniesam, thanks for the compliment. I think yo...Hi Erniesam, thanks for the compliment. I think your thinking is on track and I hope as a species we all continue to learn and grow. But we'll all just have to wait to see what the future brings!Arizona Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377658912951142427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-31484596874882685692010-04-14T09:09:18.230-07:002010-04-14T09:09:18.230-07:00Hi, i want to give you credit for your work on thi...Hi, i want to give you credit for your work on this blog. On this particular topic...Well. much have been written about it. You present your arguments well. I agree with you that the concept of God ias a fallacious argument. It's the same as saying the universe has always existed. The point is...theists do not know what they are talking about! I have an opinion on the existence of a god and IErniesamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-35418492956599290272009-04-17T23:03:00.000-07:002009-04-17T23:03:00.000-07:00You're starting to get a little bit of an attitude...You're starting to get a little bit of an attitude there and I don't appreciate it. I also am getting tired of having to repeat myself and you taking me out of context. <br /><br />"The problem is that you can't make up things out of thin air, which is what you are doing. You didn't just demand a high level of evidence, you demanded an impossible level of evidence, one that nobody, including Arizona Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377658912951142427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-49309275753664216272009-04-17T21:27:00.000-07:002009-04-17T21:27:00.000-07:00"And what's the problem? The reason I demand such ..."And what's the problem? The reason I demand such a high level of evidence is simply because of the tremendous lack of evidence for any supernatural event; see my next comment."<br /><br />The problem is that you can't make up things out of thin air, which is what you are doing. You didn't just demand a high level of evidence, you demanded an impossible level of evidence, one that nobody, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-13919622655400029012009-04-17T20:17:00.000-07:002009-04-17T20:17:00.000-07:00"You stated that the only way you would believe in..."You stated that the only way you would believe in the resurrection would be to have seen it with your own eyes. Eyewitness testimony is a type of evidence. So you are in fact saying, "This is the evidence that I demand"."<br /><br />And what's the problem? The reason I demand such a high level of evidence is simply because of the tremendous lack of evidence for any supernatural event; see my Arizona Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377658912951142427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-6798806205108660622009-04-17T18:20:00.000-07:002009-04-17T18:20:00.000-07:00"I'm not talking about 'standards of evidence'......."I'm not talking about 'standards of evidence'...., <br /><br />Yes, you are. You stated that the only way you would believe in the resurrection would be to have seen it with your own eyes. Eyewitness testimony is a type of evidence. So you are in fact saying, "This is the evidence that I demand".<br /><br /><br />"...only what would convince me personally to believe in such an unbelievable Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-59967885816689676692009-04-17T17:22:00.000-07:002009-04-17T17:22:00.000-07:00I'm not talking about 'standards of evidence', onl...I'm not talking about 'standards of evidence', only what would convince me personally to believe in such an unbelievable event.<br /><br />"Rather, this standard of evidence that you propose is the sort of unsophisticated argument that passes as normal among internet atheists."<br /><br />Instead of dealing with <I>any</I> arguments I've presented you'd rather throw out these silly accusations Arizona Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377658912951142427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-35269610725184225762009-04-17T15:44:00.000-07:002009-04-17T15:44:00.000-07:00"I will say right now that I would believe if I sa..."I will say right now that I would believe if I saw it with my own eyes."<br /><br /><br />That is a clear statement about a standard of evidence. I am not aware, unless you can correct me, that historians, theists or atheists, ever employ this standard. Also, I am not aware that any court of law has in its "rules of evidence", that, in order to convict or not convict, the jury "must have seen Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-41324864532252745022009-04-16T18:46:00.000-07:002009-04-16T18:46:00.000-07:00"Do you not see the obvious flaw in this argument?..."Do you not see the obvious flaw in this argument? You are making yourself the final word on what is or isn't real. For example, would you actually sit on a jury, and because you, personally, didn't see the murder, then conclude there was no murder? Think about you are saying. If we use this standard of evidence, then we can safely toss out about 99% of what is in the history books. You may have Arizona Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377658912951142427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-85707808294988474892009-04-16T17:01:00.000-07:002009-04-16T17:01:00.000-07:00"This is an interesting hypothesis, but I doubt th..."This is an interesting hypothesis, but I doubt the number would be zero."<br />"I will say right now that I would believe if I saw it with my own eyes."<br /><br />Do you not see the obvious flaw in this argument? You are making yourself the final word on what is or isn't real. For example, would you actually sit on a jury, and because you, personally, didn't see the murder, then conclude Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-63842236110350594762009-04-12T22:01:00.000-07:002009-04-12T22:01:00.000-07:00"How many athiests, finding there was no body, or ..."How many athiests, finding there was no body, or even witnessing the resurrection, would really believe..."<BR/><BR/>"I would guess a number close to zero."<BR/><BR/>This is an interesting hypothesis, but I doubt the number would be zero. Given good evidence I will say right now that I would believe if I saw it with my own eyes. Of course, I'd want to verify that what I saw was real in some way Arizona Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377658912951142427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-56845441949209964242009-04-12T19:23:00.000-07:002009-04-12T19:23:00.000-07:00"How many athiests, finding there was no body, or ..."How many athiests, finding there was no body, or even witnessing the resurrection, would really believe..."<BR/><BR/>I would guess a number close to zero. The ideas that underpin thiests and atheists aren't completely open to absolute verification, and this creates a huge problem. But, even if one or the other were, some still wouldn't believe them. If you remember the Rodney King riots thereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-4553574429655723322009-04-02T08:15:00.000-07:002009-04-02T08:15:00.000-07:00Just dropped by this blog - thought the time machi...Just dropped by this blog - thought the time machine travelling back to AD 33 was an interesting idea - but - I'd just like to turn it round! How many athiests, finding there was no body, or even witnessing the resurrection, would really believe - or would some kind of 'cognitive dissonance' kick in??!! <BR/><BR/>Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-74780730832937888442009-04-01T12:15:00.000-07:002009-04-01T12:15:00.000-07:00The cosmological argument seems to be a big one fo...The cosmological argument seems to be a big one for apologetics. It starts with assuming there was a first cause and claims that it was God, the ultimate application of the "god of the gaps" principle. Then the special pleading kicks in and asserts it was the Biblical God, rather than say Bhraman, or Quetzalcoatl, or some other deity.socraticmammalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725306352610461177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-16146933424511777562009-04-01T10:57:00.000-07:002009-04-01T10:57:00.000-07:00WL Craig's response reveals the inherent disho...WL Craig's response reveals the inherent dishonesty in the apologists' pretense that evidence & logic play any role in their reason to believe in the Christian faith. Apologetics is nothing more than an attempt to provide a facade of acceptability in a culture that values knowledge, based on verifiable evidence & logic, above unsupported beliefs in supernatural entities such as eheffahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06453866415590607675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-12565384305171957052009-04-01T10:37:00.000-07:002009-04-01T10:37:00.000-07:00Hi, thank you for responding to my article. I supp...Hi, thank you for responding to my article. I suppose I'll answer spacecataz first since I just went to that website. Personally, I think that argument is just dumb. Logical absolutes exist, therefore, god exists. Give me a break. This is yet another example of bad logic (the same kind I warned about in Luke's comment, which I'll get to shortly). They give an example that something cannot be bothArizona Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377658912951142427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-11435020894021175312009-04-01T10:15:00.000-07:002009-04-01T10:15:00.000-07:00For their brevity, these points are a nice introdu...For their brevity, these points are a nice introduction to the arguments that I commonly see given for a belief in God, though I wouldn't say that they count as evidence *against* the existence of a God, but as a rebuttal to those common arguments, leaving them without an intellectual leg to stand on. However, I think that more refinement is necessary for those more sophisticated in their beliefAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802793022423388420.post-87661001035234671122009-04-01T07:25:00.000-07:002009-04-01T07:25:00.000-07:00Wow, nice work.Have you considered discussing the ...Wow, nice work.<BR/><BR/>Have you considered discussing the transcendental argument for god (TAG), presented by CARM.org (see http://www.carm.org/secular-movements/atheism/transcendental-argument-existence-god)? The author was recently on the Atheists Community of Austin's "Atheist Experience" public broadcast TV show where he argued extensively with Matt Dillahunty...spacecatazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07522500697747783104noreply@blogger.com